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Real Estate, Running, and Resilience: Jenelle Cameron’s Success Formula
What do real estate, coaching, and marathon running have in common? A lot more than you might think!
Ken McLachlan sits down with Toronto-based realtor, real estate coach, and marathon runner Jenelle Cameron.
Jenelle shares her unconventional journey from public relations to real estate, revealing the discipline and structure that helped her succeed in the business.
She dives into the challenges of balancing real estate and coaching, the importance of systems and consistency, and how marathon training has influenced her approach to business.
Listen For:
03:29 – The Unexpected Truth About Becoming a Realtor
09:39 – Why Jenelle Started Coaching (and What She’s Doing Differently)
18:55 – The Key to Success: Discipline & Structure in Running and Business
29:22 – The Defining Career Moment That Happened at Age 13
Guest: Jenelle Cameron
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Ken McLachlan (00:09):
This is exciting for me. My guest today is someone that I've known for a while, Jenelle Cameron. And before I get Jenelle in here talking, there's a lot of aspects about Jenelle that are really intriguing. The different things you have in your life, the things you're doing in your life. Oh,
Jenelle Cameron (00:26):
Thank you.
Ken McLachlan (00:27):
And I really want to kind of pick your brain a bit about how they all connect, all the different things you do. So Jenelle, welcome.
Jenelle Cameron (00:34):
Thank the podcast. I'm happy to be here. We talked about it for a while, so I'm glad it's finally
Ken McLachlan (00:38):
Happened. I know. I background Jenelle's a realtor in Toronto. She's also a real estate coach in North America or anywhere really, I guess. And you are a marathon runner, correct. So you have, and plus there's a lot of other stuff you are, but we won't get into that, but you can. And what I want to know is that how these, all three things connect with each other. I think they do. They're really the discipline that you have to be for a runner, the motivation to do it. And I guess the question I would ask first is why did you become a realtor?
Jenelle Cameron (01:15):
Ooh, that's a great question. I guess we all have to think about that, don't we? Yeah. Well, it was about, my first career is in public relations, in corporate communications. So I did that for about 12 or 13 years, I think.
Ken McLachlan (01:32):
Really?
Jenelle Cameron (01:32):
Yeah. And went to school for that.
Ken McLachlan (01:35):
Where'd you go to school?
Jenelle Cameron (01:36):
I did my undergrad at McMaster, and then I did a post-grad in public relations. And it was interesting, I think I left university, not sure what I wanted to do, and I was going to go to law school and then I decided I wasn't sure I wanted to go to law school. And then I thought I better get a job. I had a philosophy degree, what was I going to do with that? And so then I decided I would get into public relations. So did a postgrad in that. And I think it was within about one or two weeks of my first job, I realized this was not the career for me, but I stuck it out a long time. I did 12,
Ken McLachlan (02:20):
I was actually a side note. That's what my degree was in communications, public relations.
Jenelle Cameron (02:26):
I didn't know that
Ken McLachlan (02:28):
In Calgary and I didn't last at all. I couldn't do that. Yeah, it was hard. So did you default into real estate? What was your connection to
Jenelle Cameron (02:40):
Real estate? Well, I think I realized I am not somebody who wants to be sort of confined to corporate structure. So I wanted to find my own career where I could make my own way and be successful on my own. And as a result of that, I thought, there's not that many careers that give you that opportunity. And I decided to try real estate. And it wasn't, I didn't feel like I had this true calling for it or anything like that. It was just sort of, this seems like it might be something,
Ken McLachlan (03:17):
But what was your influence to do it though? Was it somebody that you knew or followed?
Jenelle Cameron (03:21):
Well, not really, I don't think. I mean, I've always been interested. It's a standard thing. Everyone says, oh, I love looking in houses. And I was always interested.
Ken McLachlan (03:29):
Yeah, I like modeling. Yeah,
Jenelle Cameron (03:30):
Yeah, exactly. And I had bought and sold a number of homes I think at that point. So I thought, yeah, I self-employment something where I could make my own hours. And I was a very new single mother with a baby, and I thought this would be an easy career for a single parent. Turns out, obviously that's not the case.
Ken McLachlan (03:56):
Yeah. Isn't very difficult. But the discipline around it
Jenelle Cameron (03:59):
Is very important.
Ken McLachlan (04:00):
When did you start? What year?
Jenelle Cameron (04:03):
I think 2005, I think. Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (04:06):
Wow.
Jenelle Cameron (04:07):
Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (04:08):
Was it what you thought it would be?
Jenelle Cameron (04:11):
It was way more work than I thought it would be. And it was a lot more work, but also a lot better at the same time. Obviously the first couple years are a struggle when you get into real estate. And I would say it took me a good three years to really kind of figure out what I should be doing and how to do it, and believe me, and that's been evolving my entire career. So I would say, yeah, I would say in general, it's been better than I thought it would be. It's been honestly the best career I think I could have ever imagined. For me. It's been wonderful.
Ken McLachlan (04:55):
Do you have advice that you would give to fairly new agents that are listening to this today? That the expectations that they have about this career, we always talk about the millennials or whatever group there is out there that for me, it's to talk to people about having patience
(05:14):
With
(05:15):
This business, do the work and put the hours in. And it's not the fancy stuff that you think it is, but just it's the drudgery work that you have to have. But what would you tell someone?
Jenelle Cameron (05:27):
So many things. The first being, yeah, it's not easy money no matter what you think it is. It requires a lot of work, a lot of discipline. And I would say a lot of it comes down to structure and having systems in place and structure in place. And I think a lot of people that get into this business are not people that are naturally structurally oriented.
Jenelle Cameron (05:57):
And
Jenelle Cameron (05:57):
I think that it's a learning curve for most of us to get in a mindset where this is what I have to do every day. Because when you don't have someone breathing down your neck and telling you when to sit in your chair and when to go to lunch, it's hard. Yeah. It's hard to stay disciplined and focused.
Ken McLachlan (06:18):
We would always want to, I mean, I get this a lot and I'm sure you do in your coaching, is that what I love about this business, I always ask people, what do you love about it? And they always tell me, oh, I love doing the deals. I love writing offers, I love negotiating. I says, well, great. You're just going to walk out the door and start negotiating. And what I want to hear and what I've had to, I'm sure you teach people and coach them on, is the work that's required to get them to that moment that you really enjoy a lot. And that's the discipline that you were just talking about doing it every day. So when you started, and I'm going to get down to the nuts and bolts here a bit. I'm not going to try to bore it too much, but what's a perfect day
Jenelle Cameron (07:09):
Now? Or when you said when I first started,
Ken McLachlan (07:11):
But new, if I'm just starting out, I mean, let's talk to that new agent, fairly new agent that's out there right now. What's the perfect day for them? What do you think?
Jenelle Cameron (07:22):
Well, I think perfect day. And by that I'm going to say the perfect day that you need to be doing every day in order to get yourself
(07:33):
To a successful spot in this business is at some point in the day, there has to be a concerted effort to be reaching out to people for at least an hour or two every single day. Making the calls, sending the text messages, doing the real work, the grunt work that none of us love to do, but it's making those reach outs to people and having conversations. I think that's the first thing that you need to be focused on every day. I think there should be a portion of every day that is focused on planning ahead, whether that be for today or next week, there should be a portion of every day that's focused on marketing. So whether you are doing that or you're sitting down with someone who does your marketing for you. And so a portion of the day has to be booked for appointments. And I think if you're looking at a daily schedule or a weekly schedule, it's really identifying those moments of every week that are set aside for this time to do all of these things. If you, for example, set aside 10 appointment times during the week that you know can slot in to do buyer appointments or listing appointments or whatever it's that you're doing,
(08:48):
And it's from 11 to 12 every day that you are doing your calls to people, and it's every day from one to two, I do my marketing. But I think it's having that kind of structure. And once you get that in place, it stops the business from running you and allows you to start running the business. Because I think if that is the perfect day, otherwise you're scattered and frantic when the phone rings and you haven't got the things done that you were supposed to do, we
Ken McLachlan (09:19):
End up reacting
Jenelle Cameron (09:20):
And you're reacting more
Ken McLachlan (09:21):
Than anything. So we kind of morphed into the coaching part of your career. So you've been a realtor, successful realtor for many, many years. Again, I'll ask the question, why coaching? Where did you start this?
Jenelle Cameron (09:39):
I started working for Tom Ferry, and it was through someone I knew that had said that they were looking for coaches. And so I reached out. And to make a long story short, I ended up working for them, which I did for I think about five or six years. I don't any longer. And it just seemed like something a little bit different and I wanted to, I dunno, give back a little bit in some way and also learn from some of the smartest people that there are out there. Yeah,
Ken McLachlan (10:15):
They have great mentors, don't they?
Jenelle Cameron (10:16):
Yeah, they really do. So yeah, so I started, it was great. And then that kind of morphed into eventually me just recently launching my own coaching.
Ken McLachlan (10:30):
I mean, other than the need to, we all have this, I believe, to give back and to contribute and do this. My guess is with you, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's not just about the money. I mean the money is important, let's not kid ourself, but if it was just the straight money you would spend all your time, I would think selling real estate.
Jenelle Cameron (10:56):
And I spend a lot of time doing other things too. Everything
Ken McLachlan (11:01):
Else. So the coaching part of is really something that you're inspired to do. It makes a difference in your life and you're helping other people do this. I can't imagine the personal growth you're getting from it as well. Because when I coach and I always tell people selfishly, I learn more than from coaching people, then they give, then I teach them. And it's that kind of like, wow, I learned that about them or myself or whatever I'm doing at the time, and that's really important. And so it's the growth that I have within myself.
Jenelle Cameron (11:34):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Ken McLachlan (11:37):
Do you love it?
Jenelle Cameron (11:38):
I do. I love it. I love, love everything about it. I love everything about this business from both sides of it. It's just such a fascinating industry to be in.
Ken McLachlan (11:48):
We're very lucky. So you've actually now made the decision to kind of balance real estate career with coaching as well, more of it right now, correct?
Jenelle Cameron (11:57):
Yeah, exactly. So
Ken McLachlan (11:59):
That look like,
Jenelle Cameron (12:00):
Well, it's in the beginning, early stages of trying this, but I think there's a couple of things. I think coaching, there's so much coaching that goes on out there, and I think it's important for people to have a coach no matter what industry that you're in. I do.
(12:21):
So I think for me, I was thinking how can I do things a little bit differently? Is there a way that I can talk to my clients or help them with things that are different than maybe the industry standard? There's out there, I think in the coaching world, they like to talk about coaching, being you helping the client come to their decisions on their own and you trying to help facilitate that. And I think that there's definitely a place for that, but I think there's also a place for really pointing people in the right direction. And I think that that's something that's a little bit missing. From the coaching space,
Ken McLachlan (13:04):
Do you have a target type of agent that you help mostly? Or is it teams or is it individuals
Jenelle Cameron (13:09):
Or Mostly individuals, but no, I think I tend to see two types of people. It's either people who were at the very beginning of their career or it's the people who, you might call them fading stars. They had a very successful career and something's happened. And I think a lot of times those are people that just haven't kept up with the way things are today.
Ken McLachlan (13:31):
They have to retool
Jenelle Cameron (13:33):
And
Ken McLachlan (13:33):
It's hard to do. You're exceptional to come to you and have you, I think that's an important avenue that you've taken, is that though people that have been in the business for a while, we tend to get a little jaded with the habits we have and the outlooks we have on life and the business we're in because it's a difficult business to do. It's very difficult and to come to you to help me if I was an agent that was needed retooling to do that was incredible. And have these sessions with you and to grow from it and give you different ideas and the confidence to move forward is really important. So
Jenelle Cameron (14:07):
Yeah, just somebody to kind of even hold your hand along the way a little bit. I mean, I've dealt with people who have, no, they're not even on social media, for example. They don't even know where to begin and how to make a post or what to post. And those are things that are really hard for people if they've never had to do it. And considering so many people in this business are over the age of 50, there's a lot of learning to be done. For
Ken McLachlan (14:31):
Sure, for sure. So the third spoke is running. So you're a marathon writer.
Jenelle Cameron (14:39):
Yes.
Ken McLachlan (14:39):
Happen to be a marathon runner as well. In my old years, previous years, decades, there is a common link between you being a realtor, a coach, and a marathon writer.
(14:53):
And
(14:54):
I'll ask you to tell me what that is, but that's a hard thing to do marathon running, and you do it all over the world. So tell me a bit about how you got into this thing, what you're doing and what it does for you, and what's the link between all your different spokes you think?
Jenelle Cameron (15:12):
That's a good question. I've been running marathons for a long time. I think I started, I ran my first one in 1999, and I ran a bunch then. And then I had many years off and then didn't run another one until 2018, I think. So now I'm running about two a year. I'm in the process right now of running the six Abbott World major marathons, which is, they're six world majors. So I've run five of them.
Ken McLachlan (15:45):
What are they? I don't know them.
Jenelle Cameron (15:47):
So they're New York, Chicago, Boston, Berlin, Tokyo and London.
Ken McLachlan (15:56):
And you're
Jenelle Cameron (15:57):
I'm running my sixth right? In two weeks. Three weeks. So that'll be Tokyo. Yeah. That
Ken McLachlan (16:03):
Wow.
Jenelle Cameron (16:03):
Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (16:04):
That's incredible.
Jenelle Cameron (16:05):
Thank you. Yeah, it's a pretty big thing for a runner. If you're not a runner, you're listening to this going big deal. But for people that run, it's hard to get all six. And for various reasons, some are hard to get into because they're,
Ken McLachlan (16:20):
Well, you have to qualify to get into Boston.
Jenelle Cameron (16:21):
A lot of them qualify. Yeah. So once I run my six, that's great. They're adding more. That's another story. But for now, I'll have run six, so that's awesome. Accomplishment for me, something I've been working toward.
Ken McLachlan (16:38):
I did Chicago.
Jenelle Cameron (16:39):
Yeah, Chicago. Great race. Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (16:41):
Yeah. And I loved it because it was flat.
Jenelle Cameron (16:43):
Yes, flat is good.
Ken McLachlan (16:45):
Really flat. It wasn't too hot. It was Canadian. Thanksgiving is when they have
Jenelle Cameron (16:49):
It,
Ken McLachlan (16:50):
I think every year. And that to me was great. It was what I loved about Chicago. Were the people cheering you on as you ran through the crowds. It was incredible.
Jenelle Cameron (16:59):
Yeah,
Ken McLachlan (16:59):
It's amazing. But my first marathon was in Red Deer, Alberta.
Jenelle Cameron (17:01):
Oh, wow.
Ken McLachlan (17:02):
Not so many crowds. No, I went through every season in that one day they had snow, rain, cold and heat.
Jenelle Cameron (17:11):
Oh, hilarious.
Ken McLachlan (17:12):
It was terrible. It was just like, what am I doing? And I call myself, I'm not one of these thoroughbred runners.
Jenelle Cameron (17:19):
Right.
Ken McLachlan (17:20):
Okay. I'm a clunker.
Jenelle Cameron (17:21):
Clydesdale are going to say Clydesdale.
Ken McLachlan (17:22):
Yeah. I take for hours to run. You're a
Jenelle Cameron (17:24):
Thoroughbred. Well, I don't know about that.
Ken McLachlan (17:26):
Well, you run pretty fast anyway, so let's get back to the common link between, what do you think?
Jenelle Cameron (17:31):
Think about this. Yeah, I've never thought about it really, but I would say that running marathon running requires, especially at the level I'm doing it, it's not like I'm an elite runner, but I have a coach. I'm training every day. I am not. So I think there's some commonalities in that. And the fact that it requires a lot of discipline, a lot of structure. I can't just skip a run or decide I'm going to do something else instead. It's really, if you're going to do it well, you have to do it. So I think that's very similar.
Ken McLachlan (18:16):
I think that's it. You nailed it to me when I ran my marathon and what I loved about running, it was the discipline that helped me develop. And I knew that I had to have the discipline to train for it. And once I developed that pattern of every day there's a different program I had to do Fort Luck or whatever you're doing, and I was able to relay that to my business. So I became that discipline person in my business that I can do it in my marathon running and have the discipline. And I realized that I really actually love the discipline. I love having that pattern.
Jenelle Cameron (18:55):
I know you do.
Ken McLachlan (18:56):
I hate having people tell me what to do, but I love having the pattern to tell myself what to do. And I learned that about myself, and I was able to take the marathon training and the discipline and put that into my business. And if I just did the training that I did with my marathon into my business, my business would grow and I would achieve all the goals I did. So it really helped me a lot having that type of thing. And that's what you're doing. I think the common thing in your real estate, your coaching is the discipline to have that. Yeah,
Jenelle Cameron (19:31):
I think you're right. And I think the other thing is that marathon running is hard. There's never a time when it doesn't get easier. It's not like you're ever at a situation where you think, oh, this is easy. No problem. I mean, it's hard. And real estate is hard.
(19:48):
And
(19:49):
So I think if you can learn to persevere through hard times, no matter what, that is a mental state, right? Running is a mental game, and so is real estate.
Ken McLachlan (20:04):
You drift off a lot. And we drift off in this work that we're doing now in real estate, and it's so easy to get distracted in this business and do the impulsive things, do the stuff that doesn't really matter, do whatever it is rather than actually do the work to grow your business. And that's where the discipline of having a marathon running attitude towards your business is so important. And I would encourage people that are listening to look at the capabilities that they have in their life. What are they doing with the time that they're not working and that they're not whatever? Are they taking on new things? Are they taking a challenge on? Are they developing new traits so they can develop, which you are doing? And I'm sure in your coaching, that's what you do a lot. You help people understand that, help people realize that, and help people develop a discipline in systems in their work to grow.
Jenelle Cameron (21:00):
And then also I think having balance in your life, which I think is also,
Ken McLachlan (21:05):
Do we ever get it though?
Jenelle Cameron (21:07):
I think I have it. I'm
Ken McLachlan (21:08):
Sure we do.
Jenelle Cameron (21:09):
I think I have pretty good balance, but I think that's also
Ken McLachlan (21:13):
How did get you get it? Did I get that? I get, people come to me all the time, they say, oh, I'm really at a balance this. I'm thinking, oh, I don't know. Can you really, this business, and how many times do we get pages or emails and pick up the phone or whatever it is, and we just react to it. But the quality and the more and more people I see now that have been in this business for a while are able to, I'm having dinner. I'm not going to answer the phone. You remember those days that we used to always answer no matter what. We're
Jenelle Cameron (21:49):
Crazy.
Ken McLachlan (21:50):
So how did you do it? What did you do?
Jenelle Cameron (21:54):
I think as a single parent, I didn't have a choice. I had, most of the time I was with my son and that's it. If a client wanted to see houses, I'd say, I can go on Wednesday
(22:08):
If
(22:08):
That's the day I can go, or I can go on Saturday or I can go at this time. Those were my options balance. Very rarely did somebody say no. So I think I was forced.
Ken McLachlan (22:20):
I think sometimes we're actually afraid to ask, aren't we
Jenelle Cameron (22:22):
Are. Yeah. And when I coach people and they will say, oh, I'm so busy, I can't concentrate and I can't do this and I can't do that. It's like, well, you can. It's a choice.
Ken McLachlan (22:35):
And
Jenelle Cameron (22:35):
They think, kind of going back to what we were saying before, if you've structured out every day of your week and allowed yourself free time every day, then you'll have the balance.
Ken McLachlan (22:46):
Do you do that? Do you set block off time yourself?
Jenelle Cameron (22:49):
I do. Not as much as I used to pre covid. Now it's a little easier now. We don't have to go and sit outside, offer presentations and things like that. But yes, back in the day, I definitely did. And if I had plans to do something running or whatever, I also play, you do it crazy amounts of pickleball. That's what I do. I am not answering the phone when I'm on the pickleball court or if I'm in the middle of a run. Right. Pickle ball pickleball. Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (23:23):
I'm much too young for that.
Jenelle Cameron (23:24):
Oh, you have no idea. This is a high intense sport. If you're playing at a high level, it's good. Really? Where do you play it? I play at me fair.
Ken McLachlan (23:36):
Oh my God.
Jenelle Cameron (23:36):
Yeah. I
Ken McLachlan (23:38):
Played it.
Jenelle Cameron (23:39):
Obsessed. I play every
Ken McLachlan (23:40):
You're obsessed. Every
Jenelle Cameron (23:41):
Often. Do you play every single day? I play.
Ken McLachlan (23:43):
Get out of here.
Jenelle Cameron (23:43):
I do every day.
Ken McLachlan (23:45):
Wow. Yeah.
Jenelle Cameron (23:46):
Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (23:47):
Isn't that great?
Jenelle Cameron (23:48):
Oh my God. It's the best you guys. If you want a social activity. And you know how many realtors play, which is nice. We've got the flexibility, right?
Ken McLachlan (23:58):
Oh yeah.
Jenelle Cameron (24:00):
But it's such a great game. It's so good for your, it's good for you mentally. It's a great physical game if you're doing it well, even if you're not, if you're just a beginner just to get out and move.
Ken McLachlan (24:10):
You know how the gate got the name pickleball, right?
Jenelle Cameron (24:13):
Apparently the dog. But no, he says it's not true. I saw an interview the other day, he said, that's actually not true.
Ken McLachlan (24:19):
Really?
Jenelle Cameron (24:20):
From the guy.
Ken McLachlan (24:21):
Okay, I'm going to stick with a dog. That's a great
Jenelle Cameron (24:22):
Story. Yeah, the dog's better. Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (24:24):
Well, I have to take that pickleball. I played it. I want to do more of it. And there are a lot of people that I know they're doing it. They're loving it. Love it. They're crazy about it.
Jenelle Cameron (24:34):
Yeah, love it. I'm a tennis player, so it was an easy transition for me.
Ken McLachlan (24:38):
So tennis players are kind of like, the nose is up about pickleball, but they don't like that.
Jenelle Cameron (24:43):
I know. And you wouldn't believe me. Defecting over to the pickleball court, the waves that caused for the done. Yes.
Ken McLachlan (24:51):
So let's talk about your social media.
Jenelle Cameron (24:53):
Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (24:55):
You are very good at this.
Jenelle Cameron (24:56):
Thank you.
Ken McLachlan (24:57):
You have a podcast. You do.
Jenelle Cameron (25:00):
I do.
Ken McLachlan (25:00):
So how long have you been doing this?
Jenelle Cameron (25:02):
Started the podcast in 2020, right around, I think it was right as Covid was starting, or maybe it was even a little bit before we started it. And yeah, we have weekly episodes. We take off a couple of weeks in the summertime,
Ken McLachlan (25:25):
And
Jenelle Cameron (25:25):
Then usually a couple of weeks around Christmas. But otherwise it's every week
Ken McLachlan (25:30):
Pretty consistent. And you're talking about the market, about real estate market control
Jenelle Cameron (25:34):
Of things. We kind of talk about, we do at least one market update every month. When the stats come out, we will talk about whatever is going on, different topics, people write in, ask questions about things. Some of our most popular episodes have been about buying investment properties or different things like that. So it's really fun. I do it with my partner, Leslie. She's good too. I've met
Ken McLachlan (26:04):
Leslie and she have heard her and I've watched your, watched and listened to your podcast. They're very good.
Jenelle Cameron (26:08):
Thank
Ken McLachlan (26:08):
You. And they make a difference to a lot of people.
Jenelle Cameron (26:10):
And we're going
Ken McLachlan (26:10):
To get some information to people about that. After all. Thank you. Later on,
Jenelle Cameron (26:14):
I have a lot of realtors that listen to the podcast, actually. So it's kind of nice.
Ken McLachlan (26:18):
It's good.
Jenelle Cameron (26:18):
Yeah, it's really
Ken McLachlan (26:20):
Fun. Are you having fun?
Jenelle Cameron (26:21):
Love the podcast. Love podcasting. I just think it's so much fun. And Leslie and I have known each other well, Leslie and I were in public relations together. That's how long Yeah,
Ken McLachlan (26:32):
That's going back, huh?
Jenelle Cameron (26:33):
Oh yeah. And so yeah, in fact, we worked at a job together in public relations that was so hideous that it moved us both out of public relations and into other fields. And here we are.
Ken McLachlan (26:46):
Yeah. So let me tell you a bit about public relations. So I went to our producer, Doug here is from Calgary, and I lived in Calgary. I went to Mount Royal College, and this podcast is known about me, but there is a connection between Jim and I. And I went to Mount Royal College and I was in the public relations communications, and we started the first public relations society for students in Canada.
Jenelle Cameron (27:13):
Oh, wow.
Ken McLachlan (27:14):
And we did that. And I actually love the communication portfolio, how to do that, and the broadcasting, the journalism. We didn't have what we're doing now at that time, but a lot of TV work and different things. But I loved it, but I could never make a living at it. I wasn't. I always loved. Let me ask you a question. Do you remember where you were when you were 13 or 14, what you were doing?
Jenelle Cameron (27:48):
Yeah,
Ken McLachlan (27:50):
So this is my theory,
Jenelle Cameron (27:52):
And
Ken McLachlan (27:53):
I didn't invent this theory that there was something that major happened to our lives when we were 13 or 14, that kind of set the pattern for what our life would be like. As an example, the guy from Foo
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Fighters,
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I forget his name,
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Doesn't matter. In his book, he talks about it when he was 13, he went to Chicago with his, he lived in Washington DC and to visit his cousin and his cousin was a girl, is a girl that was gothic style, blue nails black. He'd never seen this before. And he went there and she took him to a club punk rock
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Music, and introduced music to his life. And that changed his life. And that was a defining moment for him. I remember when I was 13 years old or 14, my father, I was sitting in the back of a car with my father while he was looking at this house. And I said to him, what are you doing? What is this? And he says, well, that's our house. We own that house. I said, you're kidding me. No, we own that. I rent it out. I do this and that. And I remember, I'll never forget the moment that I, that's what I want to do. I want to have real estate. I want to be in real estate. They want to do that type of thing.
Jenelle Cameron (29:14):
Oh, wow.
Ken McLachlan (29:15):
And so it was kind of a defining moment for me. I'll never forget, but do you have anything like that?
Jenelle Cameron (29:22):
I'll tell you a story. I got my first job at 13, and I'm going to say what it was. It was at Chad's Apple Firm.
Ken McLachlan (29:31):
Oh, I've been there.
Jenelle Cameron (29:32):
And it was horrible. And I got fired because I just didn't show up because I hated it so much and they were so mean to me. That was probably the moment of my life. I realized, I don't want to work for mean people. I need to do this on my own.
Ken McLachlan (29:51):
Wow.
Jenelle Cameron (29:51):
Yeah,
Ken McLachlan (29:52):
That's probably right.
Jenelle Cameron (29:53):
It probably is. I never thought about it.
Ken McLachlan (29:55):
And it really does set us on a course. I think what happens back then, the influence that we have, I don't know why 13 or 14, interesting. But if you ask, maybe if you're coaching people, ask them as well. But I don't know. I mean it made sense to me
Jenelle Cameron (30:12):
On
Ken McLachlan (30:12):
That. But good for you. So let's taken. You've been, actually, you are doing really well. Okay. You weren't feeling too well today.
Jenelle Cameron (30:23):
Yeah, not too bad. I mean,
Ken McLachlan (30:24):
Sorry. That's
Jenelle Cameron (30:25):
Okay. It is what it is.
Ken McLachlan (30:27):
Yeah. I thank you for being here today. It was really important
Jenelle Cameron (30:29):
For me. Yeah, my pleasure.
Ken McLachlan (30:30):
I'm excited for you to tell us how people can reach you for your coaching, sir Amichi, for your real estate, your coaching, all aspects, and for the coaching aspect, what is the contact information that they need to see?
Jenelle Cameron (30:48):
They can reach out to me@elevaterealtytraining.com. And there you can find information about one-on-one coaching or some more group programs that I'm going to be offering. My podcast is called the Toronto Real Estate Show with Jenelle and Leslie. And obviously that's wherever you can get your podcasts
Ken McLachlan (31:13):
Everywhere.
Jenelle Cameron (31:15):
And then Jenelle Cameron team is where you'll find all of my social media and Wow, this is
Ken McLachlan (31:24):
Great. So did I miss anything? I don't think so. I mean, we didn't, don't think so. Listeners should know that we never rehearse this stuff. We don't even have a conversation about what goes on. I know a bit about the great stuff that Jenelle is doing. Thank you. And to learn with everybody else listening, what you're doing has been really good for me.
Jenelle Cameron (31:41):
Thank you so much.
Ken McLachlan (31:42):
You are making a difference to so many people. I know your coaching is really impactful and thank you. To have the sense of actually being in the business while you're coaching people is really important,
Jenelle Cameron (31:54):
I think,
Ken McLachlan (31:54):
To have that sense of what, because you're actually living it while they're going through it. And especially for people. I mean, there's two parts you were looking at, the beginners, people that are just in the business, but the people that really had been in this business for a while that really need to be retooled
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And
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Have a year with you, six months or whatever, it doesn't matter, but just to get away from it, feeling better about their business and understanding what it's about. And I know you can do that for them. And
Jenelle Cameron (32:22):
Yeah, I think it's just important for everybody to know that you can change, things can get better. Even when you're feeling maybe like you're stuck and you don't know how to move forward and you feel like you're too old or your skills are too old, or you don't know even where to begin. There is help out there
Ken McLachlan (32:42):
And you can do it.
Jenelle Cameron (32:43):
Yeah.
Ken McLachlan (32:53):
Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time. This has been
Jenelle Cameron (32:55):
Fun. I appreciate you having me on. This was lovely.
Ken McLachlan (32:57):
Yeah, we're going to put it out there for you, and hopefully I encourage people to reach out to Jenelle to do this. Thanks. Thanks, Jenelle. Bye-bye. Okay. See you.
